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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj super excited for this this

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pair tonight man

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i'm gonna tell you what

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before i even talk about them we got to

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talk about the money because everything

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comes down to cheddar it's all about

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cheddar we're talking about my

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co-conspirator my co-collaborator my

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brother from another mother who katya

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made a damn video for yeah

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put your hands together for money nathan

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what's up everybody hi how are you good

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look you look like a sexy animal tonight

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as

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antagonist the historical brother of the

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show the man who makes this [\h__\h] look

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cool and that's what we're talking about

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look down baby we're talking about

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flares kevin

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no i'm vexed man

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she's got prettier hair he's got

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prettier hair what am i going to do

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tonight

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that's not true that's not true

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what am i going to do is difficult

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and here's a woman that we really wish

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would spend more time researching the

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phenomenon more time thinking about it

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more time postulating nathan i you know

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what do you say about her i mean she

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really if she put some effort

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i i just feel i i've already filed a

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complaint with the hr department

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just not

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putting in enough time and nathan is hr

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so there you go say hello to myself it's

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pretty good i just want to let everyone

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know that i really am a sexy mother

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yes she is

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she is a beautiful beast man just like

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the rest of the show except for except

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anyway so all right so i want to talk

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about our next guest um

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so i heard them yesterday for the first

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time and then i listened today and there

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were heart bubble emojis flown

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nathan by now and flair and deb can can

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get a sense of when i'm really when i

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hear a content creator and i just like

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go ballistic over how amazing they are

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um and i don't say that lightly and i

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don't say that all the time about

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content creators

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uh on in this medium and on on these

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platforms that we use uh with that

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well i don't know i just want to echo

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what you're saying because when when i

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woke up this morning and i checked my

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phone i had a voicemail

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it was you

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and it sounded like you had had a

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mystical experience and it was you

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listening to their podcast so i just

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want to make that very clear

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that everything you just said is true

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that is not a thing that i do all the

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time don't listen to people i was

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transported by your voicemail and also

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by their show so very excited

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yeah so now i mean i i really can't do

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anything all i can do is tell the

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audience to wipe that taco seasoning off

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your fingertips

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and put your hands together

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for the secret knowledge

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shane and allison

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these people got knowledge for you yeah

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and they know how to speak

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he's not old enough to be here

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guys well i'd love to take that all on

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as you know our content but if you play

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our content in reverse we are putting

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hexes on all of them

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this is some black sabbath 1974 business

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going on man aleister crowley oh my

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goodness man i am not playing that

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record backwards that's all i got to say

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welcome allison and shane

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man you guys you guys did it to me man

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well thank you so much thank you for

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listening and i you know you

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specifically mentioned the the interview

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we had a lot of fun uh dipping our toes

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into those waters that wasn't something

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this podcast but when the opportunities

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people that have had some actual

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experiences and hear from their point of

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we have two experiencers on this show

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who aren't uh and normally this is the

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part where i pass it to money nathan

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which i will do and he's

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he says but i really would like to

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really just hear about you because i

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don't know that much about you guys

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other than allison was the winner of the

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susan fensten uh art raffle that we had

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and um that akashi chris had put

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together for us uh so that's how we got

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to meet you can you please tell us about

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yourselves and uh how you got into work

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yeah well i mean shane do you want to

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take this first or

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camera is so dark but i think it makes

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shane i work at a small bookstore um i

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i love to read i love to write

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through a school um through a that's not

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composition specifically i taught

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creative writing poetry and composition

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composition and short stories

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yeah and uh so that's sort of how we

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as far as how we started to

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work together i mean i've kind of been

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into weird [\h__\h] my whole life like uh

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when i was a kid um

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my dad told me ufos were real and the

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government knew all about them um and i

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it's not real man

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so and then i mean and while i can't say

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had some paranormal experiences so i've

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always loved weird stuff

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interested in this we we had a playlist

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that we sort of built um

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just i mean how how would you describe

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that playlist allison and like the types

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of videos we put in there yeah so the

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the podcast becoming a thing really

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two of us where we were just trying to

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look into some of the fringe things that

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um that we found a lot of value in in

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our personal lives and incorporated a

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lot of these practices and just got a

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lot of enjoyment from them not

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specifically ufos but you know

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inevitably if you follow those rabbit

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you're gonna run into some not so savory

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being open and receptive to these ideas

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but we kind of want to know

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where where's the cutoff point or or how

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do we protect our our minds

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from going too deep and getting grifted

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but the the playlist was just

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nicknamed the secret knowledge tsk and

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was um inclined to being helpful in

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those sort of fringe topics we'd toss it

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in there and we'd talk about it and you

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try and decide what we could take away

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that was beneficial and what really just

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needed to kind of go by the wayside and

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be discarded

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actually i've written i've written a

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statement if i could read it

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i'm going to travel back to the darkness

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um oh god now it looks even worse okay

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kevin's happy because they now people

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aren't comparing your hair to his

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because they really can't see it so this

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secret knowledge is that the name is a

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little bit ironic um so i've written

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i'll read

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plenty of figures and groups on the

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fringes of thought purport themselves to

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have a secret

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whether that is a secret form of

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alternative energy a secret strategy to

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get rich quick a secret phrase or mantra

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to unlock your potential

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secrets i don't believe in a secret

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knowledge as a quantifiable thing that

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can be obtained

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however i do think there are benefits to

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be found in exploring these ideas at all

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so while i don't believe there is one

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tangible secret to success or happiness

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or wealth or mental well-being i do

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think there are lessons to be learned

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and to be found along the way that are

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so in that way we use the name secret

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the idea of there being secrets to these

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ideas seriously uh to see what they have

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undiscovered is not necessarily

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money nathan man before because i have i

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yeah great to have you guys with us and

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echoing just what dj said earlier really

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enjoy your show uh thank you so much

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very impressed with the quality for

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questions and just the level of analysis

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and i now that i know you're both

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literature nerds it makes a lot of sense

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just for the record we're not

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pretending that we are

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experts in the field and i and i think

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that is one way that we can potentially

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value to the field is that this is only

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what used to be more of a niche

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community is only going to get larger

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and larger you know year by year day by

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there needs to be

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some level of direction for people that

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want to enter the conversation in a

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responsible manner and kind of find a

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way to assess all of these competing

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claims these competing voices

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and digest that content

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and you know you can't really do that in

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the same way if you're already familiar

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with everything it's just you're not

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coming at it from that kind of fresh

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angle so you know i think sometimes

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people encounter our analysis and

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encounter our con

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content and their knee-jerk reaction is

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like oh these people

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they haven't been researching this for

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for decades and decades well

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you know most people coming into this

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right now won't have done that so if you

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a way to allow people to enter into the

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conversation and digest that stuff then

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it's going to continue just to be chaos

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and malarke totally agree well you're

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making space for your listeners to come

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along the journey with you it's a

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journey of discovery and you're right a

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lot of shows a lot of content it already

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kind of puts you right into the middle

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and assumes that you know what's going

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on

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uh there are some times where that kind

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of a story is a story worth telling and

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there are other times where you really

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do need to start from the beginning and

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and bring people with you uh through

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that journey so i know you've been doing

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a lot of shows on stephen greer which i

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also think is really cool it was that

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intentional did you plan to start with

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him or

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any other places you're thinking about

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going well i think stephen greer was the

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beginning because

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and that's another reason why i wanted

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to to start this with shane is it's so

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easy to just consume content

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very passively and to not necessarily

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slow it down and consider what exactly

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is being fed to you so the first time i

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encountered greer stuff and then you

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know shunted it off to to shane i was

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sort of like oh wow that's interesting

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fun move along didn't really think about

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it but then a year or two later when i

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went back to it i was like wait a minute

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i'm not even sure that i'm always

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following or oriented exactly what he's

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saying and what he's doing so

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shane do you want to say a little bit

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why we ended up in the the stephen greer

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um

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i think we started with greer because we

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both did enjoy like the first time we

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saw one of his movies uh i think for me

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that was close encounters of the fifth

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kind i'm pretty sure

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um and we both enjoyed them a lot

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um and so

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but but as as as time went on

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kind of as allison said we're like wait

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like there's something that's not really

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adding up here like this guy's just like

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saying a lot of things

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um for the record we have sorry to

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interrupt you oh this is my last

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interruption but we have heard there's a

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lot of difference between the old grier

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and and the new grier so anyone that can

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provide information that that seems to

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shine a light on the fact that he has

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had periods of more legitimacy or we're

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somehow misinterpreting what he's

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presenting now we will absolutely listen

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to that but having you know now watched

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every documentary several times in the

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was it the shape of his calves like

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you're kind of looking and going look i

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want to you know i want to go to the gym

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i want to work on my bent over rows and

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then you're like i so i'm going to start

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looking into the sky because of this

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okay all right

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all right i'm sorry go ahead nathan

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well no i um

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so i think that that's very good because

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um

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to me stephen greer it it's easy to dog

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pile that guy right and everybody in the

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community is just like oh he's the worst

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people that are like very very very much

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on

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team grier is very uh yes they're very

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vocally team grier um and that says a

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lot about him too but from my

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perspective with his story is it's um

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like many stories in ufology the more

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that you

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kind of get into it you'll find a lot of

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these characters that

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uh you know kind of get into good

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reasons through an experience or

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contacts or whatever and it kind of

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spins out into this other thing that

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maybe was unintended that

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becomes a little bit unhealthy i think

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that that that's important for everybody

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that's interested in this topic to keep

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in perspective because it's very easy to

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spin out

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and

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you can't find which way is up anymore

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it weighs down

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um and i think you guys identified at

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least from what i could tell you know

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kind of what some of the red flags were

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uh just by the time that you spent

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analyzing a lot of his content and and i

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don't know if you have a particular one

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that stands out

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for each of you but i you know i

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certainly have some of my own but what

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are some of the things that kind of

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struck you as like maybe this

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you know went from being a good thing to

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now this seems a little bit

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dangerous

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uh i i think for me the the first one

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that comes to mind and i i think i first

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heard him say this when we were

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watching his disclosure series on gaia

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which is a 10 episode uh thing

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and he would be describing these e.t

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experiences but he would add these these

404
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caveats like if you weren't pure of

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heart

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you you may not have been able to see

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something or if you came in with the

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wrong reasons

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um the the et would not

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appear to you and like to me i think the

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red flag there and allison can speak to

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this as well because hers was a bit more

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intense than mine but like i had a i had

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a religious upbringing and so that just

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kind of reminds me

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it's like a religious angle now it's

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like well i just can't be there and see

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it like my heart needs to be in the

419
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right place who who who decides

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where my heart is is it you right you

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know so i think that was that was one of

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yeah and

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and to go back to the name the secret

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knowledge which you know is is part fun

425
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part irony part just part of our history

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i'm immediately suspicious of anything

427
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that is free and accessible but then all

428
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of a sudden these barriers start start

429
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coming up and as as shane said you know

430
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it's

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be to fit into the category and when we

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started finding personal stories from

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people that have had interactions with

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him it seemed like well those that are

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pure of heart seem to be those that are

436
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are willing to take him at face value at

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a lot of the things that he you know is

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purporting to be fact but not

439
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giving substantiative evidence of right

440
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well james ian doley we can hook hook up

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uh all of us at one point and and he

442
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might be able to give you a different

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perspective he's somebody that uh

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although i'm not you know i haven't done

445
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ce5 or followed dr greer or or anything

446
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but james might change your perspective

447
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on that a little bit so

448
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we're definitely i mean we're open to

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the the

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experience for sure i mean we were

451
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supposed to do an interview with a

452
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couple of experiencers like way back

453
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that ended up falling through but one

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way that we we prep for that interview

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was like really trying to embrace the

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ce5 experience and and while you know

457
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nothing happened to have happened that

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night i mean

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when there's inherent value in going out

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and trying to connect with whatever is

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out there regardless of whether you get

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that response from something or not that

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still has inherent value so until i have

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that experience for myself no i i can't

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call it alien contact but regardless of

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that that's something i can still find

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value in so i have not a qualm with

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anyone who practices ce5 and for those

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who have practiced it successfully all

470
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i'm asking for is please lead me to that

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destination because

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if we're embarking to that destination

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hand-in-hand with greer i'm not going to

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arrive there but you know another way

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there are yeah it's it's for free you

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can get those protocols free and by the

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way i think nathan is absolutely falling

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in love with your perspective right now

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and uh

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but i'm going to tell you something

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somebody that stephen greer admires in

482
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terms of their shoulder development is

483
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what's up you guys

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i finally got you on screen with me oh

485
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my gosh so i i gotta say i met these two

486
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on ufo twitter i started listening to

487
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their their podcast and i just fell in

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love with it

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i was and i started reposting and

490
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retweeting you guys way early on and i i

491
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love your analytical take and your deep

492
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dives nobody does deep dives i wanted to

493
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do deep dives

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definitely have annoyed um but but

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that's at least that's how i'm hardwired

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i've got it like i can't just make a

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decision on something exactly like i

498
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have to hyper fixate completely no

499
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i love that there's a lot of true crime

500
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podcasts now they do the deep dives

501
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because yeah you have to you have to do

502
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it some heavy man yeah

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people need that

504
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i think it's really important so also um

505
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i love the fact that you guys always

506
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enter you're interacting with your your

507
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listeners on ufo twitter you've been

508
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doing that for a long time i noticed

509
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that you you get to know your listeners

510
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
you ask them questions you got to know

511
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me you sent me your poetry we exchanged

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poetry it was so cool

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yeah dude

514
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it was fun dude i

515
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i'm gonna have to talk to shane about

516
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that off air i'm not telling you guys

517
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anyway go ahead look so anyway um

518
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i wanted to actually start

519
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i underst well i wanted to know um

520
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actually more about shane's experience

521
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first of all i'm gonna ask about that

522
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he's an experiencer

523
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not of ufo it's more of an ndi type of

524
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experience um i was wondering if you

525
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wanted to share that with us

526
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so

527
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there really a lot of different

528
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directions i guess

529
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we could go because

530
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i don't even know where to start this i

531
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yeah so wait did you say my the the the

532
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near the hectare oh the ndi

533
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department where you almost soiled your

534
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trousers let's get out of that

535
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yes so you know i've always wondered if

536
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maybe this is where it all started

537
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because it was around this age that i

538
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started experiencing stuff but as far as

539
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that story goes

540
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um i was at

541
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my sister's softball game when i was

542
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about six years old

543
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and um i was playing around with this

544
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stick and i was poking my mom with it

545
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and uh she said go put that back where

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you found it

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and i was really you know i was a kid

548
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and i was pissed so i was gonna be all

549
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like

550
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sour about it and put it exactly back

551
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where i found it so

552
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where i had found it was kind of near to

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the softball field

554
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and when i walked over there i must have

555
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,559
not been paying attention and i got hit

556
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,080
uh by a girl

557
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,240
uh taking practice swings

558
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,120
and uh it just like completely knocked

559
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,799
me out

560
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,120
and uh the chest right and i got yeah i

561
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,640
got hit in the chest

562
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,880
and um i'll sort of jump ahead and say a

563
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,320
quick thing i ended up going to the

564
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,280
doctor

565
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:03,280
uh a day or two later

566
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,559
and

567
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,640
i don't know who knows the medical

568
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,640
reality on this but the doctor had said

569
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,039
that he assumed that the bat must have

570
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,159
hit me on a heartbeat as opposed to in

571
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:16,320
between and he thinks if i'd been hit

572
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:20,000
between i could have died um so

573
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,120
anyway

574
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,720
where it gets kind of crazy is i

575
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,640
remember having this very vivid who

576
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:27,280
knows if it was dream uh who knows what

577
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,320
it was

578
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,679
um

579
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
sorry something just popped up on my

580
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,880
computer but

581
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,240
they're trying to interact with you

582
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,799
right now man they're like shut up man

583
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,159
don't tell them

584
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,760
they're trying to get me and now i'm

585
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,480
running away very strange

586
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,520
so

587
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,520
basically what i remember seeing is i

588
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,159
was in this uh

589
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,080
almost like meadow

590
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,440
and um

591
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,520
there was a river going through it and

592
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,440
it was like being on a moon because if i

593
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,679
looked up into the sky i could see the

594
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,880
earth

595
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,400
so it was almost like i was standing on

596
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,559
a moon of some kind

597
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,080
and um

598
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,240
i know i talked with two beings i would

599
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,480
later go on to call them angels i don't

600
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,760
know that that's what they actually

601
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,880
looked like

602
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,240
because i don't have that part of the

603
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,559
memory but later my mom said

604
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,480
uh that i said don't worry mom i talked

605
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,760
to the angels

606
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,080
so who knows what that was all about but

607
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:21,919
basically what i remember is they they

608
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,720
told me that i could stay and hang out

609
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,679
with them

610
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,240
or if i wanted i could go back to earth

611
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,120
and uh i guess i must have chosen

612
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,520
to come back to earth because here i am

613
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,720
and i'm glad you did because this is a

614
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,880
lot of work

615
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,640
nathan can you give dolores cannon a

616
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,240
call while we're on air i already got

617
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,159
her on speed down thank you

618
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,400
nice nice get that regression that's

619
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,559
amazing

620
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,080
despite our

621
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,360
you know

622
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,679
i think if you were to listen to just

623
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,240
bits and snatches of our our work you

624
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,840
just assume like wow like they're

625
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,919
definitely just all of this skeptic camp

626
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,400
they're not open to stuff but shane has

627
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,760
had a variety of paranormal experiences

628
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,320
and i've had you know my own assortment

629
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,279
of spiritual and or drug experiences

630
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,400
where

631
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,120
you know you have sensations that you're

632
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
not able to fully explain so we we are

633
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,600
interested

634
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,480
in in what is out there well i'm

635
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,799
interested in what your experience is

636
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,640
too allison is there anything you would

637
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,240
like to share

638
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:28,880
well so

639
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,159
my experiences i think are what lead me

640
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,720
to being very critical

641
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:36,640
not very critical but but

642
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:39,919
not trustworthy of the sensation of a

643
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,360
spiritual experience so interesting

644
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,000
so for instance i was raised in a

645
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,480
pentecostal you know non-denominational

646
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,840
evangelical church so a primary doctrine

647
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,960
of that

648
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,760
you know

649
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,480
denomination is speaking in tongues so

650
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,640
as a child for you know years and years

651
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,000
you're going to the jesus camps and

652
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,080
you're like you're gunning for it

653
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,320
because that's and i wanted it so bad

654
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,799
because that is the sign that you're not

655
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,960
going to hell and as a child when you're

656
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,000
told you know repeatedly that you know

657
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,640
if you're not saved that you know you're

658
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,720
going to hell you're just earnestly

659
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,880
searching for the proof that that isn't

660
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,559
going to happen so

661
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,760
you know jesus camp one no dice i go

662
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,960
home

663
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,440
you know i'm not i'm upset about it and

664
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,120
similar to what shane was saying about

665
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,840
being pure apart you know i've been told

666
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,240
you know i'm not having enough faith i'm

667
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,960
not you know i have too much doubt uh

668
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,120
i'm you know i'm not being pure of heart

669
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:41,840
enough to to get that sign of having

670
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,200
been saved so i go to jesus camp again

671
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,760
strike out again so i come back i'm even

672
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,640
you know i'm seeing that even still like

673
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,360
it's not happening for me i go again by

674
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,600
this time you know i'm

675
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,080
about to enter into

676
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,080
maybe eighth grade or something like

677
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,600
that so i think this was kind of like

678
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,520
the the turning point that if it didn't

679
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,679
happen then i don't know that i would

680
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,159
have had the receptiveness later on for

681
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,400
it to happen but i eventually ended up

682
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,960
being able to to speak in tongues and

683
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:14,720
when you when you do that that feels

684
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,159
like a very genuine spiritual experience

685
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,480
and i'm not saying it wasn't but

686
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,480
i was told what that experience

687
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:24,400
specifically was which was

688
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,799
in a proof that i am saved by jesus so

689
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,159
then years later when my my world view

690
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,159
changes i have different beliefs about

691
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,400
things some of the old things fall away

692
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:38,320
you know i become more receptive to

693
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,840
different ideas looking back it's like

694
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,320
okay i i know that that happened for me

695
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,480
i believe that it's you know real in

696
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,880
that sense that it was a physical thing

697
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,720
that i experienced

698
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,240
and i know that there are a lot of

699
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,559
people in other spiritual disciplines

700
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,559
that have their own spiritual

701
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,880
experiences that are proof that a

702
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,799
specific not a specific thing is

703
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,240
happening not you know you're just

704
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,240
having this like intense spiritual

705
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,880
experience it's like this means this is

706
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,559
true full stop

707
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,000
so

708
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,200
knowing or feeling like now as an adult

709
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,000
that that experience was not as it was

710
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:18,799
represented to me as a child when i hear

711
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,080
people having very intense you know

712
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,320
contact experiences or meditative

713
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,159
experiences and they interpret them in a

714
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,399
very specific way i'm always skeptical

715
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,320
of that because i know what it is like

716
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,840
to hold a belief so concretely that you

717
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,399
can only see it from that particular

718
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,960
viewpoint and when that falls away you

719
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,480
realize oh

720
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,039
i i can be so wrong about things or or

721
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,559
there can be so much that i don't know

722
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,880
about a particular thing it it makes you

723
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,399
question when you see that in other

724
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,480
people that they

725
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,399
have the level of or

726
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,320
they are as certain as they purport

727
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880
themselves to be that makes sense i love

728
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,799
it i've never heard concretely used in a

729
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:00,799
sentence so that was amazing

730
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,039
nathan's freaking out uh nathan is

731
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,520
nathan uh also grew up in uh in a

732
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,399
household as a pastor's son and and went

733
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,480
to seminary doesn't it seem like a lot

734
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,200
of people that were raised in these very

735
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:16,960
fundamentalist very

736
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,840
narrow-minded very closed off i know you

737
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,269
right here yeah although i will be

738
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,600
fundamentalist no i came at it from the

739
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,679
liberal wing of the church so

740
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,600
uh but i think you're right those who

741
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,840
have had a spiritual history

742
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,240
of some kind uh it's not uncommon to

743
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,880
find them in in this community

744
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600
uh

745
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,279
but you know that being said too you'll

746
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,399
find a lot of people with a spiritual

747
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,559
history in the west so you know it's

748
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,720
it's not uncommon for a lot of americans

749
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,640
to you know have that in their in their

750
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,320
history to some degree but i love that

751
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,520
story that's and i want to come back

752
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,600
back to that it's not my turn so i'm

753
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:56,080
going to pass it over to deb

754
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,279
yes

755
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,799
hello everybody

756
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,159
so

757
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,559
since you guys are the secret knowledge

758
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,159
maybe you can help me with something

759
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,159
i've been pondering lately

760
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,880
i've noticed that in human history at

761
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,760
least in our stories we have a tendency

762
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,960
to

763
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,799
punish or

764
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,760
um basically torture those who seek

765
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,159
knowledge um and i was looking at the

766
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,279
stories of like prometheus uh pandora

767
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,399
with the box and the garden of eden um

768
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,159
when i came up with that so i was just

769
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,919
wondering what your thoughts are and why

770
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,840
it is even especially even also with the

771
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:34,000
ufo community people are

772
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,440
penalized for trying to get more

773
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,559
information or told you know wait

774
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,559
you know essentially why do you think

775
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,919
humans are treated that way

776
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,200
maybe uh

777
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,880
well i've actually kind of two things i

778
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,559
want to say to this my kind of heady

779
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,640
answer is like

780
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,720
maybe there's some sort of defense

781
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:55,200
mechanism in in communities where it's

782
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,159
like

783
00:30:04,870 --> 00:29:57,440
if you

784
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,880
like put us all in danger or something

785
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,159
you know what i mean maybe it's some

786
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,440
sort of weird

787
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,399
primal thing or maybe it's even um

788
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,360
some sort of of envy where like certain

789
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,919
people are very set in a certain pattern

790
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,520
of thinking and when they see others

791
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,120
reaching beyond that they want them to

792
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,880
be you know punished for it it's like

793
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,000
how dare you like decide to see the

794
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,440
world differently

795
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,320
uh than me but i'm not sure i actually

796
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,919
think that's like a brilliant question i

797
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,440
might have to think about that for like

798
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,399
months like bonus check for dabs we

799
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:36,320
might have to come back and talk about

800
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,360
that again

801
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,240
um

802
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,880
but i i do want to say like

803
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,880
this is kind of somewhat related like i

804
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,080
i really believe or i at least hope

805
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,840
that in a community

806
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,200
uh

807
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,520
like this that there can be a better

808
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:52,559
melding

809
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,919
of skepticism and belief because i

810
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,399
really do think both can benefit the

811
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,399
other um and

812
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,559
for for what it's worth i do think those

813
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,320
who seek knowledge or those who have had

814
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,159
experiences i often think skeptics are

815
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,360
very mean to them um i think people go

816
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,279
through emotional trauma because of how

817
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,919
they're treated um i think

818
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,559
that some skeptics just forget they're

819
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,039
talking to like someone who's a human

820
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,200
and who has their own life and i think

821
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:23,039
that's what's made this dichotomy of

822
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,919
like

823
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,919
the skepticism is bad

824
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,120
um

825
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,880
to just kind of piggyback off of that

826
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,039
like

827
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,440
the spiritual experiences can can be

828
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,200
real even if a skeptic doesn't

829
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,240
necessarily know what what is happening

830
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,720
to that person so i i just don't really

831
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:43,360
see an excuse for bullying

832
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,799
a person for

833
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:46,480
whatever their interpretation of what

834
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,480
happened to them uh is when when we we

835
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,480
know and i know from my own spiritual

836
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,000
experience like if you had addressed me

837
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,840
in regard to the speaking in tongues

838
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,000
back then i mean it just would have been

839
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,440
very different so

840
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,360
i just don't know why like shane said

841
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:03,279
that that it has to be couched in in

842
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,120
those terms there is no excuse

843
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,120
and and sort of at the same time though

844
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,120
i i do hope that

845
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,880
on the other side of things people can

846
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,279
also understand that some claims are so

847
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,360
extraordinary that it's just natural to

848
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,600
ask questions and and and to seek to

849
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,200
understand them more

850
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,640
sometimes i don't even know if it's a

851
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,960
certain type of knowledge seeker who's

852
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,559
punished i think we just punish each

853
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,039
other for crossing the lines that we've

854
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440
drawn ourselves you know what i mean um

855
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,120
but i don't know that's an amazing

856
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,120
question i want me to like think about

857
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,399
that some more

858
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,480
um yeah that's i don't know what do you

859
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,480
think allison do you have any thoughts

860
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,559
i think my immediate answer is that i'm

861
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,720
not particularly qualified to answer

862
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,720
that question i mean it seems like more

863
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,360
of an anthropological or or historical

864
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,279
question but but my answer would be very

865
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:54,320
similar to what you are saying which is

866
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,120
that

867
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,600
we seem to to create communities where

868
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,760
we like things to be in this very linear

869
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,440
very cookie-cutter way and when things

870
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,480
deviate from that people you know

871
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,320
don't like it they get scared they don't

872
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,440
want their their status quo uh to shift

873
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,360
and and obviously that that doesn't just

874
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,120
apply to experiencers that that

875
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,880
permeates the culture and

876
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,519
in that way if we can figure out how to

877
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,519
better address that here in this own

878
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,760
little you know corner of the niche of

879
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,000
the world here in ufology i don't see

880
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,399
any reason why that can't be applied to

881
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,399
other communities as well

882
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,320
i think you guys are actually like role

883
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,640
models for this in a way from what i'm

884
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,960
hearing and what i've seen thus far

885
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,679
and that is is that you can be skeptical

886
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,399
because

887
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,840
you said you know

888
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:42,000
i think shane just said you can ask a

889
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,120
question you know you can ask a

890
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,679
difficult question but a lot of times

891
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,240
it's how you say it how many times you

892
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,720
say it how you respond to it like if i

893
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,880
said to you shane

894
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:55,039
wow your hair looks great

895
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,240
you'd be like

896
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,039
okay dj's making fun of my hair but say

897
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,960
shane for real man your hair looks great

898
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,279
holmes like i'm so jealous like

899
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,720
it looks awesome

900
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,200
so i said the same thing

901
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,119
but it's how you say it and a lot of

902
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,679
people don't know how to ask a question

903
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,520
and then be respectful of the answer and

904
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,200
say okay i didn't get the answer i

905
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:18,960
wanted um but i got an answer uh and i'm

906
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,919
not gonna try to change their answer by

907
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,000
badgering them and that's what i think

908
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,639
some people don't get in in how to do it

909
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,800
but what i was gonna ask you uh allison

910
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:30,879
so that was my that was my big statement

911
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:40,149
anyway um so i i made allison laugh it

912
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,200
only took

913
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,960
how many minutes we had 34 minutes

914
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,320
nathan

915
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,720
it was hard earned man okay back to okay

916
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,560
back to the lecture at hand

917
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,520
um so you spoke earlier about rabbit

918
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:52,480
holes

919
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,079
and so i and and and that skepticis you

920
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
know nathan's a skeptic people really

921
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,480
don't know that that

922
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,240
in the in the wider ufo community

923
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,200
nathan's a skeptic but he's also knows

924
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,839
how to be skeptical in a way uh that

925
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,680
doesn't irritate somebody who's had an

926
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:11,839
experience and we've had

927
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,800
a number of experiences experiencers on

928
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:17,040
the show tell very heartfelt stories so

929
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,800
i was going to ask you to use sort of an

930
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,480
air force term what's your causement

931
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,119
filter for how to

932
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,000
ingest a situation

933
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,640
a narrative that someone gives you and

934
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,800
be skeptical but at the same time be

935
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,359
sympathetic or or empathetic to what

936
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,880
they've gone through

937
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:35,920
i think my

938
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,040
first point to this question is it there

939
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,920
is a difference between dealing with not

940
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,920
dealing with but but encountering and

941
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,800
conversing with a person face to face

942
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,560
who has had an experience who's just

943
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,680
relaying that to you and an experiencer

944
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,320
like stephen greer who is making a lot

945
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,040
of money who is building organizations

946
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,680
who has political financial

947
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,760
you know just just power and influence

948
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,920
so i think sometimes people react to the

949
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,400
grier stuff like oh man they're really

950
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,240
bullying greer but it's like that that's

951
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,240
a public figure we for someone that

952
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,880
enters into the public discourse in that

953
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,680
way

954
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,320
i think it makes sense to to analyze

955
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,079
them differently than i would just a

956
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,400
person coming to me and saying hey i've

957
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,720
had this this experience here's what

958
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,680
happened and the only way i can imagine

959
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,599
conversing with someone who has had an

960
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,839
experience is to to take them at face

961
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:32,160
value and to ask them questions about

962
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,040
you know

963
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,400
what were the specific things that

964
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,320
happened to them what frame of mind were

965
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,000
they in but mostly i think it's just you

966
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,000
have to listen i mean when i had that

967
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,640
interview with osvaldo i hadn't met him

968
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,119
previously i mean you just have to to

969
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,680
let people talk and then when you're

970
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,839
hearing those stories time after time

971
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,160
after time after time maybe a pattern

972
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,079
emerges but but maybe you're just

973
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,240
dealing them with them on an individual

974
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,760
level

975
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,000
well i'll drink to that

976
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,079
underneath

977
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
yeah excuse me um it's allergy season so

978
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,680
i apologize uh

979
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,280
so i you know coming back to this topic

980
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,640
i mean we're actually kind of the same

981
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,640
topic really but um

982
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,839
there's

983
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,200
and being folks that are really into

984
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,480
literature

985
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,640
you know it seems to me that there's

986
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,160
we all have a certain degree of

987
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,839
narrative coherence that we try to

988
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,440
maintain

989
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,599
and that's you know a story has this as

990
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,359
well so if you're writing something you

991
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,640
try to have a coherent story that has

992
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,720
kind of defined boundaries for the

993
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,200
reader you know but we have we we do

994
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,440
this as well in our own lives we have a

995
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,000
coherence that kind of packages the

996
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,160
events of our lives into a

997
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,839
you know into a neat little narrative

998
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,160
and i think you know secret knowledge

999
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,960
often represents a threat to that level

1000
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,200
of coherence right so it's almost like

1001
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,680
an immune response that we have

1002
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,839
when there is something that's coming at

1003
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,359
us that

1004
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,000
threatens to to decohere our narrative

1005
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,520
you know so we have a natural

1006
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,040
instinctual

1007
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,599
reaction against that but there but but

1008
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,160
it's also you know in terms of like

1009
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,520
i think like

1010
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,680
inoculating us against this problem

1011
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,480
right

1012
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,200
we need some way to uh sort of suspend

1013
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,640
that or

1014
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,599
uh as you said like listening is a tool

1015
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,400
that does this for us uh by instead of

1016
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,320
being quick to like

1017
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,640
engage and kind of push back against

1018
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,680
something

1019
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:29,200
by listening

1020
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,320
we internalize what the other is saying

1021
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,440
to us we make it part of ourselves

1022
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,920
by speaking we keep them at bay you know

1023
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,240
so there's this kind of balance there or

1024
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,359
dance there

1025
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,359
and i just you know as you approach the

1026
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,720
topic and i've articulated it so well

1027
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,240
you know

1028
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,000
and you as being part of this community

1029
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,160
too i mean other things that we can do

1030
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,320
in a virtual context that help us with

1031
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,839
this because i think as you said very

1032
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,240
well in person this is a lot easier but

1033
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,400
virtually and and also this is where we

1034
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,520
see the most vitriolic kind of displays

1035
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,280
in the virtual spaces what are things we

1036
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,359
can do in these virtual areas that help

1037
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,800
us suspend and make space for these

1038
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,240
different narratives

1039
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,400
you know i think one

1040
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,920
challenge is

1041
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,200
to this i don't know if this is going to

1042
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,960
be an answer but i think one challenge

1043
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:23,040
is that social media you know

1044
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,320
people used to

1045
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,280
type out 1 000 2 000 word posts on like

1046
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,359
forums you know and

1047
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,760
you would read it and respond and even

1048
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,839
quote certain sentences

1049
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,400
and i kind of think that platforms like

1050
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,160
twitter for example

1051
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,320
when they make answers be shorter it

1052
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,320
makes people meaner it makes people

1053
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,640
misunderstand each other more

1054
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:45,680
um

1055
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,240
like the more go-to means to communicate

1056
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,000
in the virtual space i think has been a

1057
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,760
big loss

1058
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,000
but i do think shows like this honestly

1059
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,000
i mean i think being able to speak and

1060
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,440
to sit down

1061
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,400
together is one of the best ways and and

1062
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,319
also

1063
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,880
i i don't know like uh i don't know if

1064
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,880
any other options come immediately to

1065
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,160
mine other than being kind and um

1066
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,800
realizing that there's a lot of power in

1067
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,480
in in narrative

1068
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,280
for for for good or for bad you know

1069
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,200
um and letting someone tell their story

1070
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:24,480
i was actually going to bring this up

1071
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:25,599
earlier

1072
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,319
there's a book that had like a profound

1073
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,040
effect on me it's called the wounded

1074
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,720
storyteller

1075
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,520
and it has a lot to do with how

1076
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:36,880
you know some people who deal with

1077
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,240
chronic medical conditions

1078
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,599
they don't ever really feel that they

1079
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:43,040
find answers within the health care

1080
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,160
system

1081
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,599
and a lot of people don't even feel that

1082
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,839
their doctors actually listen to them

1083
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,800
and

1084
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,280
one of the the core pushes of this book

1085
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,040
is just like

1086
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,119
find people who will hear your story of

1087
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,040
chronic pain the ways that it's changed

1088
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,720
the ways you've tried to treat it over

1089
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,160
the course of years

1090
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,079
and sometimes just the the owning of

1091
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,400
your own story can like really teach you

1092
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,640
what what your path to better health is

1093
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,000
uh going to be

1094
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,440
and

1095
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,280
the metaphor there would be

1096
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,839
the trauma of having i'm using my hands

1097
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:15,599
because i know that you're talking about

1098
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,319
your

1099
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,560
the the carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms

1100
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,960
that you have but but that would be like

1101
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,520
the trauma and experiencer has when over

1102
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,599
and over they're trying to reveal the

1103
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
story that they've had and just having

1104
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,280
it discounted over and over again that's

1105
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,200
that's really interesting yeah we've got

1106
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,800
to just give people the space to share

1107
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,200
their story in its full and its full

1108
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,880
context and

1109
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,960
if you are an experiencer then the

1110
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,920
pushback becomes part of that story

1111
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,319
um and i just think people need need the

1112
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,359
space to to to be able to do it because

1113
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,359
there's power in those stories

1114
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,400
and occasionally i run into not directed

1115
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,280
at us i will say that my experiences

1116
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,200
speaking with people on twitter and just

1117
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,359
the ufo community in general have been

1118
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,119
you know very i can't think of a

1119
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,319
negative one off the top of my head um

1120
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
so so they they have been fine but there

1121
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,000
does seem to sometimes be just like the

1122
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,280
tweet atmosphere occasionally be someone

1123
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,640
that doesn't like podcasters or small

1124
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,440
podcasters or people that aren't already

1125
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,200
experts but it's like well we have

1126
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,000
enough figureheads talking amongst

1127
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,560
themselves it seems like what is more

1128
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,800
beneficial to all of us here on the

1129
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,599
ground is intermingling and digesting

1130
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,680
these these ideas together and if you

1131
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,680
have someone with a motivation or with a

1132
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,920
goal there of course that bias is going

1133
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:40,800
to to to pollute it in a way that a more

1134
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,880
public discourse among equals is not so

1135
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,400
you know like shane is saying the

1136
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,000
problem with this twitter is that like

1137
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,119
just that so don't social medium in in

1138
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,839
general kind of breeds the

1139
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,599
animosity and i don't think that's a

1140
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,000
secret about twitter i mean it's often

1141
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,400
often kind of a rough rough place to be

1142
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:02,000
um

1143
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:03,200
but

1144
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,839
yeah something like this where where it

1145
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,400
is a public forum where people can can

1146
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:12,960
come and say their stories but it's it's

1147
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,560
a more long-form format so more extended

1148
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,240
conversations

1149
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,680
less you know

1150
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,400
140 characters well the three of you

1151
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,960
nathan uh shannon allison already said

1152
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,839
it listening is the key so i i could

1153
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,960
come on here and talk ufos for an hour

1154
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,640
and a half by myself

1155
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,560
and not learn one thing

1156
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:35,359
so

1157
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,200
uh three co-hosts sitting here is

1158
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,960
because every week no matter what

1159
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,440
happens or how many questions i ask or

1160
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,119
how much i talk

1161
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,800
i don't have an opportunity to learn

1162
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,359
unless i have other people around me

1163
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,839
that are maybe smarter than me different

1164
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
perspectives uh different you know came

1165
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,640
up differently different educational

1166
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,960
backgrounds now we've just added two to

1167
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,200
that mix so everybody's going to leave

1168
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,760
this experience tonight richer

1169
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,880
and thinking

1170
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,960
okay i didn't think of that and that's

1171
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,480
that's why you do this otherwise you

1172
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,079
could sit there and monologue and sound

1173
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:12,160
really cool with it with the script for

1174
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:13,200
an app but you're not going to learn

1175
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,160
anything

1176
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,160
so that's and if

1177
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,400
you're bringing people on that are only

1178
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,440
you know

1179
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,400
already in in whatever feel like

1180
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,800
die hard skeptics are talking over here

1181
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,119
die hard experiences are talking over

1182
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,200
here if there's no intermingling of

1183
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,839
course no progress is going to to be

1184
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,319
made so what i appreciate in the

1185
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,960
experiencers that i have spoken with is

1186
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,280
if you can give me what you think is

1187
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,480
your your best path to how i can believe

1188
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,640
that is what i want take me on the

1189
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,240
journey with you what do you think the

1190
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,920
steps are and when you don't have an

1191
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,599
answer for something or you don't know

1192
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,160
stop there don't you know go go don't

1193
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,319
extend further than than you can explain

1194
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,960
in the experience um

1195
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,240
but but that's what i would like from

1196
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,079
experiencers in the community

1197
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:02,240
that's for shane and allison right now

1198
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,839
that's all i got to say kevin

1199
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,000
so talking about experiences i'm a i'm

1200
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,200
literally a skeptical experiencer i mean

1201
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,720
i am that you know i'm a behaviorist

1202
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,560
even the way i recorded my experience

1203
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:16,800
was just it was all functional analysis

1204
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,319
format very boring the last time yeah

1205
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:22,240
just that alone

1206
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:23,280
interview

1207
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,079
yeah

1208
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,760
um

1209
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,480
do you guys actually you remember that

1210
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,200
graphic i made about ufo twitter um i

1211
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,760
kind of compared to that skinner box

1212
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,520
yeah you remember that i still kind of

1213
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,280
stand by it i still think we're being

1214
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,359
intermittently reinforced

1215
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,720
um

1216
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,440
but

1217
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,000
i'm still confused at who is at the top

1218
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,359
like i mean

1219
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,520
who do you think is benefiting

1220
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,640
from this trip feed of information

1221
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,960
in your guys's opinions

1222
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,319
well

1223
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,880
shane dearness take that one i have a

1224
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,440
tentative answer you can take that one

1225
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,440
my intention of answer is that that

1226
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,400
that's why we've had to do 13

1227
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,880
there's going to be a 14th just

1228
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,040
working for your episode just saying

1229
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,400
anyone that's sick of career there's one

1230
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,800
more in the pipeline um but but i think

1231
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,000
that's why

1232
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,599
it's it's

1233
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,839
you can't answer that question i think

1234
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,880
without going deeper on the voices that

1235
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,280
are the strongest voices in in the

1236
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,920
community and i don't i think it's kind

1237
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,079
of dangerous to to say that people

1238
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:32,400
should be de-platformed because that

1239
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,359
then

1240
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,560
does the thing that we were just talking

1241
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,160
about where it's like everybody believes

1242
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,440
this thing are over here and only

1243
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,200
talking amongst themselves and vice

1244
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:40,319
versa

1245
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,359
um

1246
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
but the only thing i know to do is just

1247
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:44,720
to focus on

1248
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,839
approximately one person at a time and

1249
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,000
then vet them and at the point that i

1250
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,240
vetted them to to to my

1251
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,839
you know

1252
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,640
standards if if they're not meeting them

1253
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,160
putting them on the back burner and

1254
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,760
saying hey

1255
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,760
if you have information you're not

1256
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,920
presenting it in a way that i can digest

1257
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,079
it so i have no choice but but to

1258
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,480
disregard you until you go like check

1259
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,119
your homework and you know

1260
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,960
make some edits or something

1261
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,520
okay just don't ever do that to me

1262
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,400
okay

1263
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,680
um i'm scared now

1264
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,160
man i don't want to see a red pen if i

1265
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,280
send you a message okay shane or allison

1266
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,359
i just want i'm just kidding debs what

1267
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,520
you got girlfriend i give us another i

1268
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,520
know we got another another yeah this

1269
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:34,800
one's gonna be deep you ready for it

1270
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,480
did you ever find out more

1271
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,319
about

1272
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:42,559
the alien soccer ball that was

1273
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:49,030
dude okay

1274
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,000
no

1275
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,440
but

1276
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,040
that moment so

1277
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,040
again i'm not trying to dog pile on

1278
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,280
grier okay um

1279
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,000
but we were watching that episode of of

1280
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,839
the gaia series and there's just this

1281
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,520
moment where

1282
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,000
it's like not only is there a hidden lab

1283
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,960
like underground but also there's a box

1284
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,040
that like beings come out i don't know

1285
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:13,680
it was it was crazy um i why didn't you

1286
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,599
have a detailed and convoluted story

1287
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,040
but

1288
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,800
do you remember why we

1289
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,760
picked soccer ball i don't remember

1290
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,640
why

1291
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,640
they describe it they describe i mean

1292
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,800
they think they just right

1293
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,240
when you say hidden lab do you mean

1294
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,000
labrador retriever

1295
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,319
apparently yes okay oh like it for

1296
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,760
background

1297
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,920
apparently the ball like told them to

1298
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,359
destroy it

1299
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,240
yes now it's coming back to me yeah

1300
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,640
this is like wilson

1301
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,559
and this was in the lockheed

1302
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,440
skunk works lab correct i think so i'm

1303
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,280
pretty sure it was

1304
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,640
our quan

1305
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,520
you know

1306
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,359
i would love to believe that story i

1307
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,920
think that's amazing if there's a piece

1308
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,480
of alien technology that's capable of

1309
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,800
talking to us and flying around the room

1310
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,319
sign me up for

1311
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,880
for that like that sounds awesome

1312
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,839
uh but but our issue with that story was

1313
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,160
less that like is this improbable it

1314
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,200
does seem improbable but hey we're open

1315
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,119
but it's more like this was a story that

1316
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,280
had like layers and layers and layers

1317
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,960
and layers of things that needed proof

1318
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,359
and to be established and this was in an

1319
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,720
episode of grier's gaia series when he's

1320
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,040
relaying the story to billy

1321
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:30,480
carson

1322
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,510
you know i know gaia is mostly speaking

1323
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,319
to an audience that already is in

1324
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,480
agreement about what might be happening

1325
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
with with the phenomenon or other

1326
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,319
paranormal

1327
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,920
experiences

1328
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,839
but

1329
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,480
greer is purporting to have so much

1330
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,040
secret knowledge that we are to take at

1331
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,640
face value and believe it just doesn't

1332
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,960
make sense to shane and i if that story

1333
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,960
is so amazing

1334
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,040
show your work to some degree don't just

1335
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,200
say that story off-handed that's not you

1336
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,440
know a three-minute story to toss into

1337
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,680
the episode that's like a two-hour

1338
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,119
documentary

1339
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,040
that's a whole bunch on that story to

1340
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,720
show us your sources on on that

1341
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,880
particular thing the math professor is

1342
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
coming out show us how i don't want just

1343
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:23,359
the answer show us how you got to that

1344
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,280
answer but you didn't memorize it yeah

1345
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,280
go up to the blackboard

1346
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,520
i just want to say that if anyone's

1347
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,680
watching who does foyas and they want a

1348
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,800
foia alien soccer ball

1349
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,960
i'm looking for your docs

1350
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,359
john i know you're watching greenwald i

1351
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,319
mean what could you be doing right now

1352
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,839
so anyway

1353
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,280
anyway

1354
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,880
um you know it's interesting there's

1355
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:49,920
sort of a

1356
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,720
roulette wheel of theories it's a very

1357
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,680
slow

1358
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,240
roulette wheel in in ufology that seems

1359
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,880
to you know like if we went back like

1360
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,559
you know maybe

1361
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,400
four or five months ago everybody's

1362
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,800
talking about dna manipulation you know

1363
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,200
there was a period where we were talking

1364
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,319
about uh we're talking about dimensions

1365
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,599
um we were talking about oh there may be

1366
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839
you know like bases under the water that

1367
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,599
we can't access i mean geez you know

1368
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,520
there's you know and now it's anomalous

1369
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,760
health syndrome i would say

1370
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,520
we've had that right because gary nolan

1371
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,040
brought that up with the orbs passing

1372
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,800
through the body and all that and then

1373
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,359
some people are actually back to uh the

1374
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,480
actual uh where uh other galaxies that

1375
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,559
are just traveling here you know and

1376
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,720
possibly popping in through a uh what

1377
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,640
deb called some wormholes i don't even

1378
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,319
know what that is other than i have them

1379
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,319
in my yard thankfully and that's because

1380
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,720
i don't use roundup and no chemicals on

1381
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:47,280
my on my uh my garden that's the reason

1382
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,720
why i have the wormholes but in any case

1383
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,800
what is the theory that resonates with

1384
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,960
you guys the most is there sort of

1385
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,960
something that when you hear about like

1386
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,520
nathan knows when i heard about uh dna

1387
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,440
manipulation in the missing link i was

1388
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,760
freaking out so what's what's got you

1389
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:05,200
guys what what's got you shane you're

1390
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,000
right

1391
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,480
okay thank you i just want to say

1392
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,559
thank you for asking this because i just

1393
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,800
think something people might not know if

1394
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,480
they listen to our content is that this

1395
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,480
is really i just love talking about

1396
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:19,599
crazy [\h__\h] all the time like

1397
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,559
like

1398
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,520
i just

1399
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,640
because i could talk about any of this

1400
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,960
stuff my roommate actually earlier

1401
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,440
was listening to a new joe rogan podcast

1402
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:29,920
with with duncan trussell in it and that

1403
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,359
was just a whole cacophony of

1404
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,440
uh alternate dimensions and virtual

1405
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,839
reality and all sorts of great things

1406
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,960
um

1407
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,359
i will say something that i think kind

1408
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:43,599
of has my heart or at least something

1409
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,400
that i think kind of makes sense to me

1410
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,880
i do like the idea that like the usage

1411
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:52,720
of nuclear weapons has attracted the

1412
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:55,359
attention of like aliens in like some

1413
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,319
way

1414
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,520
um

1415
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,000
i know this timeline makes sense for

1416
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,400
that in some ways yeah and i like the

1417
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:04,160
timeline i i like the whole theory that

1418
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,200
perhaps

1419
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,960
by using a weapon like that on our

1420
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,880
planet we're causing damage

1421
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:11,359
to to places you know far far away i

1422
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,240
mean

1423
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,400
i just i don't know why but it's always

1424
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,520
resonated with me um there's evidence to

1425
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,880
support that shane i'm sorry to

1426
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,400
interrupt you there's evidence to

1427
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:22,480
support that theory significant evidence

1428
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,200
so

1429
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,800
to me i mean i could i didn't talk about

1430
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,920
that for hours um but i also love

1431
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,440
those links

1432
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,680
yeah send me the link one other thing

1433
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,720
i'll say though before allison chimes in

1434
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,280
um and this could be kind of weird but i

1435
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,520
kind of have a personal theory and maybe

1436
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,040
this isn't my own maybe i didn't come up

1437
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,119
with it but sometimes i wonder if the

1438
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,839
shapes themselves are the bodies you

1439
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,319
know they're not even ships or or crafts

1440
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,880
but like there's some sort of just thing

1441
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,440
we can't even imagine like that's just

1442
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,359
the shape that's the creature itself or

1443
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,920
that's the i don't know i mean i i just

1444
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,599
i love thinking of it that way you know

1445
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,599
there's evidence for that too

1446
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,150
sorry i just had to say it there's my

1447
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,920
videos for that too and i'm interviewing

1448
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,559
someone specifically about that soon oh

1449
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,839
amazing well i'll be there i'll be in

1450
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,160
the chat debs data dojo if you guys want

1451
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,440
to follow her it's at debs data dojo

1452
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
she's part of the calling all beings

1453
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,119
podcast network

1454
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,359
yeah i love i love the angeli interview

1455
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,599
that i listened to i mean i guess that

1456
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,520
was a few months ago a few weeks ago my

1457
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,440
crush few weeks ago yeah it feels like

1458
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,960
months but yeah

1459
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,480
it's funny because i was thinking of

1460
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,160
that interview when you talked about the

1461
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,040
linguistics issue and your podcast about

1462
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,280
people saying things that they shouldn't

1463
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,200
say to the public and it's not very

1464
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,880
consumable sorry i was thinking about

1465
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,400
that because i said the same thing to

1466
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,079
her

1467
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,480
so so are are you saying

1468
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,799
that you don't necessarily think that

1469
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,799
everything needs to be public that can't

1470
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,160
be on

1471
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,400
interesting okay so so that's no she's

1472
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
saying density density like using terms

1473
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,880
like density people like me are thinking

1474
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,200
overcooked pound cake you know so i

1475
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,640
think deb's saying that she should use

1476
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,559
terms that a lot of people that resonate

1477
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:09,680
with people

1478
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,309
so i'm sorry nathan go ahead yeah well

1479
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,920
before i go i wanted to make sure that

1480
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,000
you had your follow-up if you still have

1481
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,079
it oh no i already had it i want the

1482
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,200
foia's on the soccer ball that was it

1483
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,559
yeah that was the that was that

1484
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:28,160
follow-up sentient soccer ball is a

1485
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,549
there was that soccer ball design a few

1486
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,240
years ago it was probably like

1487
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,079
15 years ago that like wasn't any good

1488
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,680
it was like this brand new design where

1489
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,359
they were gonna use less straps or

1490
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,680
something and it ended up like

1491
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,680
flying in oblong ways it was probably

1492
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,520
that soccer ball that was like end me

1493
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:51,599
you know i'm not good

1494
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,480
uh

1495
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,440
anyway

1496
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,960
it's with the underground labrador who

1497
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,240
knows who knew adidas had this

1498
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,920
technology but yeah

1499
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,680
do you think maybe just someone really

1500
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,240
misunderstood the ball in that movie

1501
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,720
castaway and that's what happened that's

1502
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:07,599
why i've been screaming wilson come on

1503
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,950
well i was going to ask a question kind

1504
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,280
of about

1505
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,040
ontology so i want to go back to sort of

1506
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,799
what you said uh

1507
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,040
dj loves every time i use that word but

1508
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,200
you know the our ability to to know

1509
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,280
anything at all right and and so i want

1510
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,599
to come back to your experience um

1511
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,599
growing up as a pentecostal

1512
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,839
and you know kind of wanting that moment

1513
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,920
and and that moment you know eventually

1514
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,400
coming i i've had no people plenty of

1515
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,240
people in my life who've been exactly in

1516
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,480
that same place but who've gotten to

1517
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,400
that speaking in tongues moment and it's

1518
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,359
been

1519
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,520
very real to them you know

1520
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,000
uh and the way you put it is i think you

1521
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,599
know the way that many one would have

1522
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,799
put it if you've kind of gone through

1523
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,520
that and looked at other experiences

1524
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,599
in other pockets of humanity where

1525
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,799
they've had the same kind of uh in a

1526
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,200
sort of visceral connection to whatever

1527
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,160
it is right so my question i guess if i

1528
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,920
could distill it down is

1529
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,280
what is ultimately knowable and true is

1530
00:57:13,789 --> 00:57:12,400
it is is it true to say that these were

1531
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,799
all sort of

1532
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,160
individualized or

1533
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,359
pocketized like uh

1534
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,240
delusions or is there something true

1535
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,400
that is underneath all of these

1536
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,119
disparate experiences

1537
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,240
well i i think i'm mystified by

1538
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,760
the level of certainty actually shane

1539
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,040
and i were talking about this just last

1540
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,040
night i'm just mystified by

1541
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,599
the the need for certainty i i don't

1542
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,640
know why

1543
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,359
more of us on more topics on more things

1544
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,440
can't just kind of like

1545
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:46,799
be okay in in the not knowing of most

1546
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,599
things or you know things of a spiritual

1547
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:51,839
nature in this way

1548
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,119
it was encountering other cultures

1549
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,520
in other religions that had a

1550
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,079
presentation of speaking in tongues

1551
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,240
which was labeled as something else in

1552
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,400
their culture that was sort of like the

1553
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,040
first domino to be like oh

1554
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,040
this thing that was like

1555
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,240
proof written in all caps for

1556
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,640
my experience being represented of this

1557
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,520
specific idea is now definitely called

1558
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,200
into question if there are people on

1559
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,520
other side of the globe that are having

1560
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,200
the same

1561
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,480
i want to use the word symptom but

1562
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,720
that's not quite the right presentation

1563
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:29,040
um happening to them in a very different

1564
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,559
context but to to much the same sort of

1565
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,799
sensation within within the body and

1566
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,799
within the mind so

1567
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:39,200
for me with this project

1568
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,720
i don't think i really need to be

1569
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,880
certain about most things like of course

1570
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:46,319
i want proof i want truth i i want to

1571
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,720
know but i'm more interested in finding

1572
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,359
that place in myself where i know i'm

1573
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,160
walking the line of openness that is

1574
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,799
beneficial and pleasurable

1575
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:01,280
and and takes me to better places in my

1576
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,440
life than i am needing to ch to know i i

1577
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,119
don't really feel like i need to know in

1578
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:09,440
most things except when it comes to

1579
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,040
someone that is manipulating others

1580
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,599
with their beliefs at that point i think

1581
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,000
we need to to kind of like blow the air

1582
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,319
horn and be like hey you can listen to

1583
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,079
this guy but there's some context you

1584
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,400
should be made aware of

1585
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,799
great yeah shane what do you think

1586
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,200
you know uh to sort of bring literature

1587
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,119
into this um

1588
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,760
and and to also almost just echo allison

1589
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,920
i mean i've always loved stories that

1590
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,559
are ambiguous um i mean you're

1591
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:40,880
like i'm i may be the one person who

1592
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,950
the end of the show ruins the show which

1593
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,440
is unfortunate but shane has like some

1594
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,680
argument to to the opposite effect of it

1595
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,880
that's probably his own shape any

1596
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,520
invitation anyone out there listening

1597
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,000
if you watch lost with me

1598
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,680
i will explain it all oh

1599
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,240
i will take him up on that's a lot of

1600
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,240
viewing time

1601
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,400
you've got a full-time job on your hands

1602
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,599
maybe uh

1603
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,760
maybe that's our next deep dive there

1604
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,640
you go

1605
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:22,799
no but i think i've just always loved

1606
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,640
books and stories that are able to exist

1607
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,559
in a realm of uncertainty i'm not saying

1608
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:29,680
that i

1609
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,400
reject resolution or anything but i've

1610
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,799
never really minded if a story kind of

1611
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,799
leaves me at a jumping off point if i

1612
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,799
feel like i have the tools

1613
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:40,559
to build from there as a reader or

1614
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,839
watcher or or or listener to sort of

1615
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:46,160
play in that space and be like well

1616
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,440
maybe something like this would have

1617
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,720
happened next or or maybe

1618
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,000
it's not even about what's happening

1619
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,240
next though i just i i don't need

1620
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:56,640
resolution i guess is i guess what i'm

1621
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,480
getting at i i love ambiguity so

1622
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,000
i just want to jump into one thing i

1623
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,440
just want to say when we talk about

1624
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,119
experts you know when you say you're not

1625
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,520
an expert nobody on this panel none of

1626
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,480
us are experts they're the people who

1627
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,480
know a lot though i've listened

1628
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,480
no i i but i want to be for real i want

1629
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,000
to be for real for a second the people

1630
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:18,319
that have an intimate amount of

1631
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:21,760
knowledge with verified proof have

1632
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,920
knowledge of craft or materials or be

1633
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,400
you're talking about i don't know what

1634
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,319
the numbers are that are that are

1635
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,880
familiar and actively interested in

1636
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:34,720
investigating to the degree we are in

1637
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,319
ufology but i would bet that it's well

1638
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,160
less than one percent of people that

1639
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:41,839
actually know something that's

1640
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,640
verifiable so in in my mind we're all in

1641
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:46,640
great company here because none of us

1642
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,480
are experts and we're just sharing ideas

1643
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,400
that's a lot

1644
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,680
and that's why i think

1645
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,319
looking into the people themselves is so

1646
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,799
important where you know maybe each

1647
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,400
individual story i mean that's just too

1648
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,640
much we can't go through story by story

1649
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,359
and one access the information and two

1650
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,359
none of us have enough time on our hands

1651
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,400
to do that so a way for for me to get

1652
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,480
into the topic at least is is to choose

1653
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,720
someone to think about

1654
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:16,640
how they're presenting the information

1655
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,920
if the way they are presenting it is

1656
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,839
something that a reasonable person can

1657
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,920
follow and glean the information from

1658
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,160
it's like okay well i don't know that

1659
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,920
what they're saying is accurate but i

1660
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,280
can trust

1661
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,520
how they're they're feeding it to me

1662
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:34,799
which is why um so not to just go right

1663
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:37,599
to the plug but we just uploaded an

1664
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,720
episode about the phenomenon uh which is

1665
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,119
a documentary that we both really liked

1666
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:45,039
and something we acknowledge we're not a

1667
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,319
current events

1668
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,799
channel we know this came out in 2020

1669
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,119
but it did it's a great movie yeah okay

1670
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,880
i'm just kidding and and something that

1671
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,359
we love about it is

1672
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,400
just how well it conveys information to

1673
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,119
the person watching it and how and and

1674
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,799
actually allison pointed this out to me

1675
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,039
but how you don't just get one person's

1676
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,720
take on something you'll get someone who

1677
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,119
experienced something two days before in

1678
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:11,920
a nearby area you'll get multiple people

1679
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,720
chiming in on one event and it just does

1680
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:16,240
such a great job of conveying

1681
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,440
information

1682
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,280
to the viewer

1683
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,799
and i think that's why

1684
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,400
a lot of times allison and i we aren't

1685
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,440
really analyzing is the alien story true

1686
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,039
we're kind of just interested in how the

1687
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:29,680
story is told and like

1688
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:30,400
what

1689
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,359
listening um so that's why we love that

1690
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,359
movie because i just i can still

1691
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,960
remember the first day i saw that movie

1692
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,640
and i was convinced by the end of

1693
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,720
everything but it's just so well made

1694
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:44,400
it's just so good and so easy to watch

1695
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,599
so yeah

1696
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:48,079
well it's it's kind of uh you know ufos

1697
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,599
seem to me to be this balance between

1698
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,240
the ineffable and the certain which is

1699
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,480
sort of what we're talking about we we

1700
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,960
all do like certainty in some areas we

1701
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,880
like knowing that if i can

1702
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,079
you know

1703
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:03,680
if i follow the traffic rules i'm

1704
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,599
probably not going to get broadsided by

1705
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,359
another vehicle if we all do it we're

1706
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:08,799
going to have a pretty safe driving

1707
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,880
experience but we also need to make room

1708
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:14,799
in our lives for these ineffable

1709
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,720
mystical uh you know unknowns uh and so

1710
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:20,240
but but it's the you know coming back to

1711
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:20,960
you

1712
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,079
that wield it

1713
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,000
you know it's it's those people that are

1714
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,000
the ones that can be dangerous right

1715
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:30,559
that they they take that

1716
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,680
uh they take a license to essentially

1717
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,640
wield

1718
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,799
those secrets for power

1719
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,559
and control people

1720
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,480
especially we're living in a time where

1721
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:43,200
people are just like jamming information

1722
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,720
into their head 24 7 consuming it like

1723
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,240
how often are we just listening to

1724
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,160
something when we're doing the dishes or

1725
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,319
doing you know just our day-to-day life

1726
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,480
i'm not saying you shouldn't do that but

1727
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,559
but that is like a level of receptivity

1728
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,960
just like literally in in your brain

1729
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,200
that when you're not paying attention to

1730
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:03,599
exactly what is said you are like

1731
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,200
literally in a trend like sort of an

1732
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,440
and uh what's the word i'm looking for

1733
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,520
just a more receptive point that if

1734
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,039
you're hearing those things over and

1735
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,359
over again and not questioning them at

1736
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:17,280
some point you're going to believe in it

1737
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,640
but you didn't actually go on the

1738
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,799
journey of belief you sort of skipped

1739
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,559
over it because it's like oh that i've

1740
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:24,480
heard that before that's true that's

1741
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,520
definitely

1742
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,599
you know for sure just took it in you

1743
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,599
just took it yeah so i think we do

1744
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,240
really need to pay attention especially

1745
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,440
in the ufo community to to how things

1746
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:37,200
are being presented and sure like listen

1747
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,079
to something when you're doing the

1748
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,359
dishes but maybe listen to it again

1749
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:44,079
like my moto gp podcast anyway i'm sorry

1750
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,960
uh let me

1751
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,039
[Laughter]

1752
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,640
uh nathan did you have anything further

1753
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,079
because i don't want to no i don't want

1754
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,000
to hog the mic so i'll pass it over to

1755
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,799
gavin hi kevin headphones all right here

1756
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,760
we go

1757
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:56,960
john lennon

1758
01:06:03,029 --> 01:05:59,440
everything's working right now okay you

1759
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,039
guys can go back to talking now

1760
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,119
okay i'm kidding

1761
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,440
ah you guys like you you went over all

1762
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,200
the answers to my questions so that's

1763
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,599
that's me copping out i have um

1764
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,079
i have a lightning round for you

1765
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,720
hey right speaking of um what were we

1766
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,160
talking about just uh free will and

1767
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,000
determinism no we weren't talking about

1768
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,760
that were we okay

1769
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,119
good segue like

1770
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,440
can i say one thing though kev uh for

1771
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,520
everybody on the panel tonight uh

1772
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,000
including the the cabbies if you can

1773
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:32,559
weave a song title

1774
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,760
any parts of lyrics of a song into your

1775
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,200
answers tonight

1776
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,880
uh it'll be like five points for

1777
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,640
gryffindor or whatever your house of

1778
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,079
choices oh yeah

1779
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,000
oh you're a ravenclaws aren't you i can

1780
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,400
i can feel it

1781
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,240
so anyway if you can weave the song

1782
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,400
title you know if that could happen i

1783
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,559
just want to say that you can actually i

1784
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,039
i mean i was going to do yes or no but

1785
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,119
you know you can this these are just

1786
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,520
prompts to talk really just to get you

1787
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:01,839
to say something funny or

1788
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,280
angry or you know embarrassing okay so

1789
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,520
the first question is

1790
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,599
free will versus determinism no i won't

1791
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,470
that's that's too heavy man that's too

1792
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:16,559
heavy

1793
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,680
all right do you think go beckley teppy

1794
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,160
was once a restroom

1795
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,839
akashi chris is going to kill you go

1796
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,240
ahead alison is it

1797
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:27,760
okay i

1798
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,760
everyone's gotta go at some point

1799
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,079
anywhere they are so

1800
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,559
you know i'm i'm i'm not gonna question

1801
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,480
what people had to do in the privacy of

1802
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,200
their own go bagley tempe

1803
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:41,520
there you go okay there's this really

1804
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,559
cool

1805
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:44,400
show on on

1806
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,720
that centers around that uh

1807
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,680
land art mark or

1808
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,440
worship center whatever it is it's

1809
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:54,960
really interesting

1810
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,280
to me that the show

1811
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,240
is all about like feminine energy and

1812
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:03,359
feminine powers like the divine woman

1813
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,559
but i you know six months or so i looked

1814
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:08,400
into it and aren't there just like

1815
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,200
can i

1816
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,160
can you say dicks on cam is that a yeah

1817
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,079
i suppose so i mean it is a person's

1818
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,000
name after all

1819
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,080
phallic symbol richards

1820
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,719
rife in gobegly tepe and i was like well

1821
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,880
that's an interesting

1822
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,799
right for the show to make this all

1823
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,400
about woman and it's

1824
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,920
full of

1825
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,910
it was just you know

1826
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,319
men go here women go here just

1827
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,000
because they're finished right i mean

1828
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,080
yeah it's just the signs it felt like we

1829
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,120
were on i-40 just outside of albuquerque

1830
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,960
when you did that that whole i don't

1831
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,640
know if you guys have seen but kevin

1832
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,319
actually made a whole ed what do you

1833
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,839
call that kevin what you made he

1834
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:50,080
basically put a restroom in gobekli

1835
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:02,550
i put a roof on it it just looks like a

1836
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,590
okay i got another question

1837
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,600
um so shane

1838
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,520
so do you think ingesting copious

1839
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,359
amounts of prune juice will prevent an

1840
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,239
alien abduction

1841
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:29,279
no i i don't think it will prevent um

1842
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,080
why

1843
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,920
if anything it could even just bring it

1844
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,400
on i that's actually been

1845
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:37,199
i've seen that that's my method of

1846
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:41,040
trying to attract them to me i haven't

1847
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:42,319
oh dude

1848
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,520
i'm doing it

1849
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,679
hey honey get the broom juice ready it

1850
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:47,839
hasn't worked so far but i feel great i

1851
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,640
feel 10 pounds lighter

1852
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:53,359
nathan we have never conquered colonic

1853
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:56,640
exploits of any kind on this show no

1854
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,440
this isn't cleansing yes

1855
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,880
this is a new kind of deep dive it

1856
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,640
really is

1857
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,960
a good one

1858
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,800
who said nathan

1859
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,280
he has yes he has a sense of humor he

1860
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,000
does he has very good puns like i don't

1861
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,120
do puns his are very good

1862
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,440
okay dude so another question did you

1863
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:19,120
even answer oh well do you think i'm an

1864
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:20,159
alien

1865
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:21,040
yes

1866
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,239
okay

1867
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,880
don't even hesitate your ears are

1868
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,120
glowing

1869
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:29,679
yeah we have questions kevin

1870
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,719
i'm that's alien american okay come on

1871
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:34,239
it looks like you're on an alien it's

1872
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,070
okay um would you consider

1873
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:41,840
extraterrestrials to be elitist because

1874
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,550
hmm

1875
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,840
yes

1876
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,199
i think so too they're trying to breed a

1877
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,440
perfect person that's not okay i read

1878
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,159
dune all the way to dune 5 when it gets

1879
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:56,960
weird and sexual and strange all the

1880
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:00,159
time and i think absolutely i i think i

1881
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:02,080
think they want to they want to be the

1882
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,679
best so

1883
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,800
and i don't know if that's going to be

1884
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,640
me i have asthma

1885
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,600
yeah

1886
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,800
you know what we can breed that out um

1887
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,960
we can use crispr and that'll be gone

1888
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,400
but um

1889
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,280
as far as uh just your opinion that uh

1890
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,880
i'd like shannon allison sorry to beau

1891
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:21,120
garda on your thank you thank you um

1892
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,480
aliens

1893
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,679
uh

1894
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,760
okay i shouldn't say that because

1895
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,560
anjali's gonna like slap me the beings

1896
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:31,679
would extract biological materials from

1897
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,640
humans because dot dot dot

1898
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,560
like us answer that question

1899
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,800
yeah do it yeah yeah what would be the

1900
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,480
purpose of that

1901
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,880
if that's happened it's happened because

1902
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,199
okay so

1903
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:46,800
i

1904
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,080
that just would show me all of the

1905
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,719
like alien autopsy documentaries when i

1906
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,159
was like

1907
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,719
you know three five years old i'm a very

1908
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,280
i don't like to be scared i once they

1909
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,520
had to shut down the movie the blob in

1910
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,520
my first grade class because i started

1911
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,320
crying like like violently crying so

1912
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:10,960
like i don't i don't like to be scared

1913
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,920
so the imprint of those alien autopsy

1914
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:16,159
documentaries on my young brain actually

1915
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,920
led me to be very very afraid of aliens

1916
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,800
and we we lived on a farm so it was very

1917
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:25,120
dark out on the farm so i was terrified

1918
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,199
of going outside at night and then we

1919
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,480
watched the movie signs and

1920
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,440
children like corn yeah the corn and the

1921
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,360
leg you can see it

1922
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,239
okay so so up until very recently i

1923
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,159
couldn't hardly broach the topic of

1924
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,040
aliens without like having a sensation

1925
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,840
of fear and i kind of lost where i was

1926
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,280
going with this question

1927
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,440
why they want biological material

1928
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,600
because if that in fact has happened i

1929
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,840
would leave the barn light on which was

1930
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,840
a problem for my father so i would be

1931
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,159
instructed to go turn the barn light off

1932
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,920
and i would be afraid of getting

1933
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,400
abducted and or just seeing an alien

1934
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,199
in the distance from my house to the

1935
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:06,960
barn but i would say before i went out

1936
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,960
there i was like if you take me just

1937
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:10,320
make me smarter

1938
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:14,880
never would so i hope

1939
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:17,840
if they're coming here please make me

1940
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,760
smarter that is what i want that is what

1941
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,679
i'm asking for the aliens that's what i

1942
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,600
hope they're doing with us i'm tired of

1943
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,920
this brain i would like an upgrade

1944
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:27,760
i think you're smarter than they are

1945
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,400
shane um their take if in fact they have

1946
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,880
taken biological material they're taking

1947
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,640
it because

1948
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,880
because they want to be our friends uh

1949
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,600
and and this is this is why nathan can

1950
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:41,280
you give me a skin sample i'm just

1951
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,320
kidding

1952
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,080
i'm bringing this to literature once

1953
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,790
when lenny

1954
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,199
is petting those rabbits he doesn't mean

1955
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,440
to kill him he thinks he thinks he's

1956
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,239
petting them and taking care of him

1957
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:58,400
john steinbeck i love it

1958
01:14:05,189 --> 01:13:59,280
maybe

1959
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,199
our culture i mean i don't know is

1960
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,800
everyone here in america or is someone

1961
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,320
in a different country are we all

1962
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,719
americans all americans yeah okay our

1963
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,080
culture is very different than other

1964
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,480
cultures right our planet

1965
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,239
i mean who knows how different our

1966
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,760
planet could be from other planets maybe

1967
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,920
it's normal on their planet to break

1968
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,760
into each other's houses and steal a

1969
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,360
kidney or something you know maybe

1970
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,280
that's just like play-doh maybe that's

1971
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,360
how they play so maybe they just want to

1972
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,640
be our friends

1973
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:30,880
cool well yeah that's as good an answer

1974
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,800
as i could have hoped for uh if you want

1975
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,040
to make a friend ask them for biological

1976
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,880
material and

1977
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,719
back to you kevin

1978
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,840
well

1979
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,560
this is great i'm loving this man

1980
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,440
right so um can you you can you see me

1981
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:47,440
this is the next question outside your

1982
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,310
why did i write that man

1983
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,520
on the list kevin

1984
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,760
i better move away from the window oh my

1985
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,360
god i think i just got three more

1986
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,360
subscribers all right

1987
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:05,600
okay star wars or star trek let's do it

1988
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,669
i love to hate star wars um

1989
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,679
so i had to pick star wars

1990
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,280
all right yeah

1991
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,360
alison

1992
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,440
so i have to default to star wars

1993
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,080
because that's all that was served to me

1994
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,159
as a child but deb said something about

1995
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,679
battlestar galactica in the town

1996
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:30,320
only make it halfway through so good i

1997
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,520
really want to know who the rest of

1998
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,480
those scientists are i'm after that oh

1999
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,920
yeah man

2000
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:37,360
by wolves watch raised by wolves

2001
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,400
absolutely yeah okay original star trek

2002
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,440
yo

2003
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:43,199
nice all right

2004
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,000
um

2005
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,679
i'm about done you know i could give the

2006
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:47,040
mic to that that's probably got some

2007
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,480
good stuff you guys think the thing

2008
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:50,320
about this question though

2009
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:53,920
yeah on the basis of sci-fi star trek is

2010
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,800
leagues better than star wars okay right

2011
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,760
i mean

2012
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,360
you have so much in one star trek

2013
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,440
episode that they can never accomplish

2014
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,520
in one star wars movie i just haven't

2015
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:05,120
seen enough star trek that's all but

2016
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:06,560
star trek is

2017
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,239
amazing i grew up with it yeah

2018
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,960
yeah there's a star trek for everybody

2019
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:14,560
true true

2020
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,320
okay you ready for another deep question

2021
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,960
okay this one actually really is so

2022
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,520
we talked a little bit about religion

2023
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,440
and this is something that i've spoken

2024
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:27,440
to nathan and a couple other people

2025
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:31,199
about how the ufo belief system

2026
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:34,640
basically parallels a religious belief

2027
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:37,920
but i cannot help but think that if we

2028
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:40,640
had forthright information

2029
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,840
if we had simplified what was going on

2030
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,239
or at least just been pretty honest

2031
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,000
about it it wouldn't have become a

2032
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,480
religion that required belief

2033
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,239
so i just wanted to know what you

2034
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,239
thought about that about your insight

2035
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,120
because i feel like the playing around

2036
01:17:05,669 --> 01:16:59,520
with whether or not it was true

2037
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:07,430
shane do you have something i was just

2038
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,120
gonna say uh i i completely agree uh

2039
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:13,199
with the premise i think i don't

2040
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:14,400
remember this if this isn't the

2041
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,120
phenomenon or not but i know one of the

2042
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,679
ufo situations i want to say

2043
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,400
the the the roswell thing someone called

2044
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,719
it the biggest overreaction of national

2045
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,719
security like of all time or something

2046
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,840
with the with the cover-up

2047
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,040
um and

2048
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,920
i don't know i i i guess

2049
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,679
i don't know maybe i don't know what i'm

2050
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,960
gonna say

2051
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,360
i don't know i i think my answer to this

2052
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:42,320
question is

2053
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:46,000
i think that that wouldn't necessarily

2054
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,080
solve the problem because i i think

2055
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:50,320
there's sort of like a a thought virus

2056
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,080
of of people

2057
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,239
not just in religion but but any manner

2058
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:55,600
of disciplines that are that are just

2059
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,440
going to really dig in and when when

2060
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,840
information to the contrary is brought

2061
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,400
forward it it just doesn't matter like

2062
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:04,960
they're in some type of thought loop

2063
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,480
but i i do think that it would do a lot

2064
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,040
in terms of making the spiritual

2065
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,520
experiences that are inherent when we

2066
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,920
look outward into the beyond to to see

2067
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,679
what else is out there

2068
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,719
more

2069
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:20,400
oh i almost use the word pure in which

2070
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:24,880
case we're we're looping back to this

2071
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:27,520
um but i do think it would do a lot in

2072
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:30,320
terms of us being able to have the value

2073
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,360
of the the spiritual experience of

2074
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,199
seeing and looking at what is out there

2075
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,400
without the the dogmatic the the

2076
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,040
fundamentalism the arguing

2077
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,440
um that kind of permeates the culture

2078
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,149
right because at this point i do think

2079
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:50,560
if a third testament was written it

2080
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,790
i just want to say one thing uh if

2081
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,880
somebody in the chat has a question if

2082
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,560
you could just tag deb

2083
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,040
and she will uh get that up on screen

2084
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,760
for shane and allison our guest and i

2085
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,520
just want to say um

2086
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,600
that is a great question deb that that

2087
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,679
we may never know the answer to but one

2088
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,000
of the the things that you can sort of

2089
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,000
parallels if you look at

2090
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:17,840
you know left and right america if you

2091
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,520
look at ufo twitter if you look at how

2092
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,320
you know 21st century humans will see

2093
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,239
anything on which they can divide

2094
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,800
themselves from someone else

2095
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:31,520
it doesn't really

2096
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:34,239
you know speak well of of or speak

2097
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,159
positively about what might happen if

2098
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,840
they had information that would

2099
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,640
challenge their belief systems i think

2100
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,320
you just might have

2101
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,400
people on the news channels actually

2102
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,000
talking about this and dividing

2103
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,360
themselves over

2104
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,199
who's allied with the phenomenon who

2105
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:51,120
believes in them who doesn't who thinks

2106
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,480
they're here to help us who thinks

2107
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,000
they're here to hurt us

2108
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,719
and even on this show i think we we all

2109
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,520
have

2110
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,360
both of the you know

2111
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:01,520
uh you know nathan has spoken about it

2112
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,080
at length uh that we feel like there

2113
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,320
could be some some negative uh

2114
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,440
consequences as a result of uh uh a

2115
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,600
certain intellectual dominance over us

2116
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,480
or or or um what would you call

2117
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:16,320
technological dominance you know all

2118
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,800
these sorts of things so um i'm not sure

2119
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,639
it's it's a scary

2120
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,040
answer and question and i don't know

2121
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,280
that we're not necessarily right where

2122
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,600
we need to be even if i wish i knew it

2123
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,760
all because if you look at the six

2124
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,760
people on this panel right now we're

2125
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,440
prepared to know it all

2126
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,120
but that doesn't mean everybody's like

2127
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,360
us clearly they're not

2128
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,840
yeah i i do think that that's kind of

2129
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,760
one of the central things that that

2130
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:45,760
shane and i embarked on this process for

2131
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,880
is like a willingness to constantly

2132
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,480
change and evaluate

2133
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,199
beliefs because we are you know we've

2134
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,360
been interested in ufos for virtually

2135
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,080
our you know our whole lives and more

2136
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,239
into it in in the past few years as

2137
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:01,920
things have really come forward in the

2138
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,800
public forum um

2139
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:05,679
but

2140
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,239
i i i do wonder what if what you're

2141
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,159
saying like would people

2142
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,719
be prepared to have their their world be

2143
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,639
views totally shifted but but i'm

2144
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,080
inclined to think that people can handle

2145
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:18,159
it or more people can handle it than

2146
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,520
than we would like to give them them

2147
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,520
credit for i mean i think when when

2148
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,480
faced with with information that allows

2149
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,159
them to disentangle

2150
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
probably some negative things within the

2151
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:30,480
the belief systems that they have that

2152
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,600
that will be

2153
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,080
or could be really freeing so

2154
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,440
you know i do think that's a possibility

2155
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,840
i do think that's a question but

2156
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,000
i don't want to wait until

2157
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,199
we're all you know at the level of

2158
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,600
consciousness that we we can can take

2159
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,280
this information on i think we can trust

2160
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:49,920
humanity that that if this stuff is out

2161
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:52,320
there that we can kind of band together

2162
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,120
and

2163
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,560
be able to use it for good

2164
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,960
yeah i want to know now uh but i mean if

2165
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,600
you look at the vaccine you had 50 of

2166
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,520
the people said i believe in it 50

2167
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,280
things said it's ridiculous they're

2168
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:06,719
going to inject stuff that's going to

2169
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:09,520
track me so you could use that metaphor

2170
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,669
that wouldn't believe it even with the

2171
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,159
information well they would think they

2172
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,639
would uh they would rail against it they

2173
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,440
would uh be protesting against it it

2174
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,440
would be we don't want to interact with

2175
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,040
them and then you'd have the other half

2176
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,880
no they're good yeah no they're good

2177
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,400
they're good and others say you know we

2178
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,719
should be developing weapons to to

2179
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,239
destroy them so

2180
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,080
that's a i mean if you look at the

2181
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,480
vaccines toilet paper you know any of

2182
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,920
these sorts of things

2183
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,840
i think that's probably

2184
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,600
evidence would suggest that's probably

2185
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,159
what would happen

2186
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,000
so but i don't know but i that doesn't

2187
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,320
mean again i want you know if i could

2188
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,480
open the archives right now

2189
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:54,239
i feel like the technologies of the

2190
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,719
ruling classes that already exist are

2191
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,679
already putting a large number of us at

2192
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,600
a disadvantage so

2193
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:03,440
you know are you saying with is that

2194
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,719
does that mean that stuff could have the

2195
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,400
possibility of leveling the playing

2196
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:08,880
field or would it more likely just give

2197
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,159
the ruling classes more access to to

2198
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,199
um technologies that would make their

2199
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,590
impact us negatively worse i i think

2200
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,520
there is a potentiality for that

2201
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:25,440
i think it's something we could

2202
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,320
uh that humans look for things to divide

2203
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,120
over as opposed to unite over which is

2204
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,960
problematic we're seeing it in our very

2205
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,679
own community and this would be if this

2206
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,000
were open on a grand scale like they're

2207
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,199
here look can you see them right there

2208
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,880
then that would be another thing people

2209
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,800
would divide over i believe

2210
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,280
unfortunately not to you know much too

2211
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:49,280
much brain

2212
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,080
so

2213
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,760
anyway nathan

2214
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:53,199
yeah

2215
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,159
well

2216
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,920
shane i saw you wanted to jump into i

2217
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,280
think so i wanted to give you a chance

2218
01:24:02,550 --> 01:23:59,360
to oh i actually didn't i didn't have

2219
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:02,560
anything to add to that okay

2220
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,440
hair care products

2221
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,760
i was just going to say knowing the the

2222
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:09,920
community they would argue that wasn't

2223
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:17,590
that's what i'm imagining

2224
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:20,070
can i say something dj to your to your

2225
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,600
analogy i think that's great i think

2226
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,280
that's what our modern alien invasion

2227
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,960
would look like i think it'd be a bunch

2228
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,600
of news that'll be late night talk shows

2229
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,520
and it would just be people protesting

2230
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,920
and disagreeing and people not agreeing

2231
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,000
you know if yeah it's what we do it

2232
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,840
doesn't matter what the topic totally i

2233
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:37,679
think it's great

2234
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,000
i i i mean that's not something that i'm

2235
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,679
celebrating or going

2236
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,080
no but you're right three is very good

2237
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:47,040
right now as things are going so

2238
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:48,000
if

2239
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:54,239
before we go to that ruin i think i'm

2240
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:56,320
kind of still game

2241
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,440
i'm

2242
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,199
that's not what we're discussing

2243
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,960
everybody here's game

2244
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,280
that's not we're not discussing whether

2245
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,280
if you ask me do i want everyone on this

2246
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,960
panel agrees

2247
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:08,800
yeah that's not the question the

2248
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,920
question is everybody outside this yeah

2249
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,199
we all want

2250
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,360
let's open up the archives baby we'll be

2251
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,800
there like this we got a bunch of

2252
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:18,560
readers here nathan will be have his

2253
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:24,070
yeah yeah

2254
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,600
um dr heinen's kid baby give it up for

2255
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,320
my co-host money nathan

2256
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:32,639
co-creator of calling all beings well

2257
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,840
you know

2258
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,679
we um

2259
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,400
we danced around this topic a lot and

2260
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,080
almost every show hits on it in some way

2261
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:42,239
but there's the sense in which

2262
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,159
arriving at whatever the truth is

2263
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:48,159
you know that's just another door

2264
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,760
another opportunity that comes to us to

2265
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,159
add extra layers on top of it i mean

2266
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,000
there's never

2267
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:57,920
it would seem to me to be very difficult

2268
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,400
for us to arrive at a place of full

2269
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,880
disclosure where there aren't new layers

2270
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,239
of meaning

2271
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,480
new narratives new

2272
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,360
religious systems i mean every this is

2273
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,360
just sort of like what we do like this

2274
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,639
is how we are

2275
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,880
you know so i find it interesting that

2276
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,800
so many people put

2277
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:18,320
like so much

2278
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,520
emphasis on getting the truth

2279
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,199
because to me it's not like it's like

2280
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,040
the journey's not over you know it's

2281
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:26,880
just uh it's actually a widening or

2282
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:29,600
maybe even a more complicated problem

2283
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:31,760
that we have to deal with at that point

2284
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,239
uh that could be good good or bad or i

2285
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,679
don't know if you guys thought about

2286
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:37,840
sort of the ramifications of if we

2287
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,390
i i think there will always be more uh i

2288
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,990
even if there's no more as far as like

2289
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,000
quantity even if there's no more amounts

2290
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,920
of information to amass i think there

2291
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:55,760
will always be more

2292
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,960
to consider uh and and

2293
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,360
and to learn um

2294
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:03,120
yeah i don't know i just i just think it

2295
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:05,120
never ends it never ends with anything

2296
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,110
okay now we can talk about hair care

2297
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,110
all right are you guys using conditioner

2298
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,800
do you want dj skin care formula i'm

2299
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,960
just kidding i just i i hadn't washed my

2300
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:23,040
hair for two years until last week when

2301
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:25,120
i got a got a haircut so

2302
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,159
i've my

2303
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:27,840
regimen has been very

2304
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,800
very relaxed i love it i love it man i

2305
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:32,400
dig that in fact i would just love to

2306
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,440
have hair

2307
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,639
um but but anyway um so we're gonna get

2308
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,840
a final round of questions to end part

2309
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:41,040
one

2310
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:45,520
of you guys joining us um

2311
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:46,480
yeah

2312
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:49,679
this has been amazing money nathan

2313
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,560
yes

2314
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,400
guys uh

2315
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,080
thank you for coming on the show thank

2316
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,639
you i've really enjoyed having both of

2317
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,840
you and

2318
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,520
i think these guys know because they

2319
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,360
know me like we we could probably talk

2320
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,600
for hours and just have a great time uh

2321
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,280
i love your perspective

2322
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:07,360
uh i love the questions that you ask all

2323
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,639
the way think about this and i

2324
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,159
appreciate that you're a show that is

2325
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,000
trying to kind of be on the on the

2326
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:14,560
ground floor and walking through the

2327
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,040
topics in a very detailed way we need

2328
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,440
more shows like that uh i think that's

2329
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,520
great and i'm sure it's taking you

2330
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,600
you know along the journey as well it's

2331
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,960
not like you're just

2332
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,320
you know trying to put the training

2333
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,239
wheels on you know you you really do

2334
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,239
want to learn and want to get into it

2335
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,239
and not kind of skip to these easy

2336
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:33,840
conclusions so

2337
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,440
again thanks for coming on and what kind

2338
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:37,120
of what what's on the on your plates

2339
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,199
what what are you really working on next

2340
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:40,960
we got a few things

2341
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,159
so one we just released a video today

2342
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,639
about the phenomenon that we uh

2343
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,960
previously mentioned um

2344
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,040
the the most compelling evidence to me

2345
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,040
because there's there's science-based

2346
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,280
stuff there's military-based stuff i

2347
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:56,800
don't necessarily feel like i have the

2348
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,360
technical knowledge to always be able to

2349
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,800
sift through that to be able to put it

2350
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:02,800
into like oh this is probably true this

2351
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,080
is probably not true so what i tend to

2352
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,560
to find the most value in for proof for

2353
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,280
myself tends to be mass sightings

2354
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,639
because it's not just relying on one

2355
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,239
testimonial it's relying on multiple

2356
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,400
testimonials sometimes they're like news

2357
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:18,639
organizations also covering the topic as

2358
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,080
well so i find that particularly

2359
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,159
compelling

2360
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:25,120
in the phenomenon it ends with the uh

2361
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,400
zimbabwe aerial school phenomenon uh

2362
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,400
i've seen so when you're when you're

2363
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,800
going deep on things you you see things

2364
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:34,239
all the time that's

2365
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,000
this has been debunked this has been

2366
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:39,120
debunked this is not true

2367
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,679
but you can't go into each of those

2368
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,360
things as you find them because you're

2369
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:46,080
focusing on on one thing specifically so

2370
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:48,159
i know that there are arguments that

2371
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,920
exist that

2372
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,400
allegedly invalidate the aerial school

2373
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,360
phenomenon so kind of cat

2374
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,360
going from the phenomenon which ends

2375
01:30:02,149 --> 01:29:59,600
with zimbabwe school we want to kind of

2376
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,159
specifically look at that story because

2377
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:03,600
that's something that when shane and i

2378
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:04,960
first saw the documentary we found

2379
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:07,520
really compelling and kevin is going to

2380
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,320
come along and talk on our show about

2381
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,159
that story whenever we get to that

2382
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,239
episode so i know shane and i are going

2383
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,719
to be doing some digging on that um and

2384
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,560
that is what's coming up next and we

2385
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:20,159
have another project if you want to

2386
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:22,000
describe it shane

2387
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:24,960
yeah so we're also um something allison

2388
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,040
and i haven't done

2389
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,040
much of yet but is really something we

2390
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,880
want to get into is more scripted

2391
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:32,719
content where we

2392
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,440
really like use the strength of writing

2393
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:37,760
to bring people through a lot of bigger

2394
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,159
ideas and maybe more complicated stuff

2395
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:42,800
so we do have a greer another greer

2396
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,310
i enjoy this off the cuff stuff but i

2397
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,159
i'm a person that gets lost in my own

2398
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:58,560
thoughts a lot even when nathan gave his

2399
01:31:01,710 --> 01:30:59,920
last question by the time shane had

2400
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,720
answered i was sort of like

2401
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:03,679
[Laughter]

2402
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:06,159
so it will be very valuable for me to be

2403
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:07,760
able to like

2404
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:10,080
show the example of what i'm talking

2405
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,639
about in real time instead of referring

2406
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:13,840
to something that i'm trying to

2407
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,560
summarize but i'm not quite articulating

2408
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,239
in a way that i think

2409
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:19,920
any person just off the street would

2410
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,199
immediately be able to track what i'm

2411
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:23,120
saying so that's why i think scripted

2412
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,960
content is going to be at least an

2413
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:27,040
occasional thing for us perhaps some

2414
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,080
pranayama breathing

2415
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,199
inhale deeply through the nose

2416
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:35,280
exhale through the nose use the body's

2417
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,800
filters right here

2418
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:39,040
that's very good

2419
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,239
queen did you have anything else to say

2420
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:43,120
about the next um the only other thing i

2421
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,199
was going to say um

2422
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:48,080
we do so the secret knowledge is not

2423
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,239
only confined to

2424
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:53,040
ufology um and there are other things

2425
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,560
that we want to talk about i want to

2426
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:57,360
talk about you know weird sci-fi i want

2427
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:58,560
to talk about

2428
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:59,679
um

2429
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,840
yoga and health stuff

2430
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,520
we're talking about a lot of things nice

2431
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:04,960
um but then i want to talk about abraham

2432
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:07,679
hicks oh me too that's being on my my

2433
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,440
lips so one thing if you guys need

2434
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,520
someone to come on and talk yoga

2435
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:14,000
yoga oh we love that i'm a yoga teacher

2436
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:17,840
also air force yes air force flying

2437
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,440
government that's also me mm-hmm

2438
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:23,280
i knew you were the the military guy and

2439
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,040
i i meant to actually ask you some

2440
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,360
questions about that so if you want me

2441
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,040
to pose one too i will if not we can

2442
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:31,520
save it go for it holmes what's up man

2443
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:33,120
okay so so

2444
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:34,080
how

2445
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:37,040
do you decide who to trust in sort of

2446
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,040
the military or did you are you taking

2447
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:41,520
all of the military people at face

2448
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,440
well it depends on what you get

2449
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:45,679
is because it's all covert it's all

2450
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:47,840
it's all classified so like where it

2451
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,639
depends on what specific you'd have to

2452
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,400
give me an example and then i would i

2453
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:54,000
would i could answer do you have a

2454
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,600
special well i know you i've seen both

2455
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:57,840
of your dodie episodes i really enjoyed

2456
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:01,280
them did you have dodie on because you

2457
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:03,600
believe what he is saying is true i know

2458
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:05,679
kevin sort of asked the question

2459
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:08,880
how do we believe you now i mean you've

2460
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:11,280
you've been a disney information agent

2461
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:13,360
so are you intentionally having people

2462
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,880
on that you are inclined to to believe

2463
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,159
their stories in the way they're telling

2464
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,120
them or do you get them on and kind of

2465
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:23,440
disentangle that after

2466
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,480
well first of all uh his position so

2467
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:28,239
like i've said this to nathan i've said

2468
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:30,000
this on the air a french officer once

2469
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:32,560
said i need not be proud of everything i

2470
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:34,960
need to do but i need to do it well

2471
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,360
and were i in his position of uh

2472
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,000
you know air force osi special agent and

2473
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,159
i was ordered to go out and do x i would

2474
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:46,880
go out and do x that's what you do or

2475
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:49,679
you leave the service you know or so

2476
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:51,440
that's you know what what you've signed

2477
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,719
up to do at that point so i he

2478
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,239
if you listen to the first episode we

2479
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,560
did with him he actually apologized on

2480
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,560
air that we didn't ask him to apologize

2481
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:02,800
he just did it i'm not somebody who's so

2482
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,679
perfect to ask people to apologize uh

2483
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:07,280
for stuff that they did in their own

2484
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:08,880
life because i've done things in my own

2485
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:11,040
life that i need to apologize for

2486
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:11,840
so

2487
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,960
um

2488
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,280
i mean i'm not here to put a percentage

2489
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,520
on everything that he said but when you

2490
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:19,440
look about when he talks about roswell

2491
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,480
and you see

2492
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,920
all that you know nathan and i have

2493
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:23,840
talked about roswell since the very

2494
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,159
early days of our friendship before we

2495
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,719
even um started calling all beings

2496
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:30,560
together um

2497
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,239
the first time you know we sort of talk

2498
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:34,080
about it but when you look at how things

2499
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,120
line up what comes first the lie doesn't

2500
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:40,000
come first the lie comes second when you

2501
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:43,040
don't like what was put out first

2502
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,280
that's what makes sense we put out

2503
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,239
something we found a flying disc

2504
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:50,960
no stupid you will go and say that did

2505
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:53,679
not happen we found a weather balloon i

2506
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,080
mean that's how so certain things line

2507
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:58,000
up with what he said and also lou

2508
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:00,320
elizondo has sort of he sort of backed

2509
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:02,800
away from a little bit but he did

2510
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,880
corroborate that information as have

2511
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:07,199
several others that were in the know

2512
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:09,040
that had clearances you know when you

2513
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:10,880
start talking about fravor and alex

2514
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:13,440
dietrich i know aviation i studied

2515
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,280
aviation so when i hear what they're

2516
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:17,280
talking about it really resonates with

2517
01:35:22,390 --> 01:35:20,000
me but you know what we can have another

2518
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:22,400
a conversation about that and and i'll

2519
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,080
answer anything

2520
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,960
a long-form conversation about that

2521
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,040
where shane and i have kind of gone and

2522
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:30,880
looked into a specific thing with

2523
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,800
specific questions to have you have you

2524
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:34,880
discussed because i just don't have the

2525
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,040
background necessary i hear that

2526
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,679
information i take it in but i sort of

2527
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:41,520
don't really know what to do with it

2528
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:43,600
without the technical knowledge

2529
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:46,800
yeah i mean i i i could answer some of

2530
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,239
that for you or at least give you my

2531
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:50,159
opinion my perspective no i don't

2532
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,280
believe everybody just because they uh

2533
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,280
wore the uniform or they say that

2534
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:57,119
something happened but there's a lot of

2535
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,960
other things that build up to that i've

2536
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,280
heard some guys come on these shows and

2537
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,360
make a fool of themselves

2538
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,760
so i'm not going to speak to who those

2539
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,320
are but some of them i i really do

2540
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:10,639
believe uh in fact chris latos coming up

2541
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:13,199
next on calling all beings so uh if you

2542
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,199
if anybody wants to watch an episode

2543
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:17,920
with chris lato that sees him not talk

2544
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:20,080
about aviation whatsoever and he was an

2545
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:21,679
f-16 pilot

2546
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:24,400
uh watch the one with artisan tony this

2547
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:27,600
uh brilliant guy a guy named sergey

2548
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:30,239
uh who's a physicist lou elizondo and

2549
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:31,520
chris lato

2550
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,800
that's a good place to start you gonna

2551
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,400
go deep man

2552
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:36,159
nathan do you hear some of that oh yeah

2553
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,600
i know it's it's good it's very good

2554
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:39,840
it's very deep so uh but you know what

2555
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,080
we'll talk more backstage because i got

2556
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,480
stuff i want to tell you

2557
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:45,840
so uh

2558
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:48,480
so let me let

2559
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,440
and let me let flares kevin say goodbye

2560
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,679
man you know i just feel like i brought

2561
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:56,080
together a bunch of

2562
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,920
cool awesome people who are supposed to

2563
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,840
meet each other i'm feeling really

2564
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:01,600
really satisfied here i've been wanting

2565
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,760
this for a long time i think we all have

2566
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,400
really good chemistry guys

2567
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,800
i really i'm really feeling this um so

2568
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,080
yeah thanks for

2569
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:14,709
thanks for being here

2570
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:15,920
all right

2571
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,320
thanks thanks for coming that's all

2572
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,400
thanks for being who you are you guys

2573
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:21,920
are awesome

2574
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,119
we we

2575
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,119
we met you on twitter i mean you're

2576
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,440
you're so entertaining and fun and and i

2577
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:29,600
love your spirit of light-heartedness

2578
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:32,000
and in a community that can often be

2579
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,520
very serious

2580
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:36,000
and it's just nice to have something

2581
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,600
something fun to rely on and you are

2582
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,600
you're you're the best you are like the

2583
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:41,280
light in the darkness some days on

2584
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,800
twitter like i'm serious you've

2585
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,800
brightened my day just many times just

2586
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:47,199
by being nice and being who you are you

2587
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:49,520
make me laugh like you're a great guy so

2588
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:56,629
amen amen

2589
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,679
step back in for a while i don't know

2590
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,920
all right um kevin's all excited now

2591
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:03,040
he's gonna put on a little bit of

2592
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:04,000
cologne

2593
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,119
dabs

2594
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,000
well i just hope you come back and uh

2595
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,159
you know you you were um

2596
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,400
saying something derogatory earlier

2597
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,719
about being smart or not smart and you

2598
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,440
know in in my field there's a lot of

2599
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,840
different types of intelligence like the

2600
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:21,840
you know you can't quantify it in one

2601
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:23,360
way in fact we

2602
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:25,840
we kind of go poof to some of those

2603
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:27,679
intelligence tests that they do those

2604
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,840
sats which a lot of colleges don't do

2605
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:30,960
anymore

2606
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,840
um so i i think you have a lot to offer

2607
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,760
and i hope we get to talk in the future

2608
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:37,440
and i really look forward to hearing

2609
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,960
more about poetry and literature so come

2610
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,320
back again

2611
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:45,760
brainstorm with us it's fun

2612
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:48,320
we would absolutely love that and and i

2613
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,840
have that type of intelligence that

2614
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:51,119
she's talking about it can't be

2615
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,880
quantified and i really don't want it to

2616
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:55,119
be because it's we're talking you might

2617
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:02,070
where can we follow you please uh give

2618
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:07,830
twitter

2619
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:10,880
okay i'll go first i guess uh sure so my

2620
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:14,320
twitter handle is at coyote underscore

2621
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:15,600
cocktail

2622
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:18,960
um and that is where you can find me

2623
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,000
and we are on twitter as tsk

2624
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,400
headquarters you can also check out our

2625
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,760
youtube channel the secret knowledge um

2626
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,679
once again dev thanks for for all the

2627
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,280
kind things that that you said i hope

2628
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,440
that if we we head back over here and

2629
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:35,040
you know another whatever you have us

2630
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,669
uh more more about the topic and have

2631
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,920
adapted our opinions and beliefs and in

2632
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,440
that way so so thank you for that

2633
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:47,280
endorsement appreciate it

2634
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,560
you guys

2635
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,800
totally rock totally rock so give them a

2636
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,040
like and a subscribe give this show and

2637
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,800
like and subscribe after you get that

2638
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,719
taco seasoning off your fingers because

2639
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,960
you don't want to stain the keyboard so

2640
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:00,480
for for

2641
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:03,280
for shane allison for money nathan kevin

2642
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:06,320
and for deb this is dj saying peace out

2643
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:08,239
one love and we'll see you down the road

2644
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,159
because these people here we're always

2645
01:40:14,210 --> 01:40:12,000
wondering what's up around the bend